“Man is the only creature that consumes without producing. He does not give milk, he does not lay eggs, he is too weak to pull the plough, and he cannot run fast enough to catch rabbits. Yet he is lord of all the animals.”
— George Orwell
Maneka Gandhi, the daughter-in-law of the late Indian Prime minister, Mrs. Indira Gandhi, and India’s famous animal rights activist, stirred up a hornet’s nest by speaking out against the consumption of cow’s milk. Her beliefs deeply irritated the sentiments of several hardcore veggies in India.
The real truth about milk:
Human bodies are not designed to drink the milk from other animal species. Dr. Benjamin Spock, America’s leading authority on childcare, was one of the first to warn the world against the dangers of consuming cow’s milk.
Consider these cold facts:
- Dairy products contain no fiber or complex carbohydrates
- Milk is saturated with fat and cholesterol
- Milk is contaminated with cow’s blood, pus, pesticides, and hormones
- Dairy is linked with allergies, constipation, obesity, heart disease and cancer
- Cow’s milk can cause anemia in children
- Dairy can result in insulin-dependent diabetes in the later years of life
- Diary products actually cause osteoporosis. Chinese women who consume calcium from plant sources have lesser incidents of bone fractures in old age
- Milk has no iron; however, it also blocks its absorption
- Milk has less protein than most vegetables
- Milk does not cure peptic ulcer disease. It only offers temporary relief of pain. In the long run milk causes acidity and further destroys the stomach lining
- Milk is carcinogenic. It contains a factor called as IGF-1. All cancer studies show that when IGF-1 rises in the body, one gets cancer.
The cows pay a heavy price:
- Cows live for about 25 years and produce milk for about nine years. The stress of the factory farm leads to disease, lameness and reproductive problems and most cows die or are sent to the slaughterhouse in four years.
- In the farm, the cows are hooked by their udders to electronic machines and cows are subject to constant electric shocks. This leads to mastitis.
- They spend their entire lives standing on concrete floors and their living conditions are abysmal.
- Cows are genetically manipulated, given antibiotics and hormones, so that their milk yield increases.
- To see that cows produce milk, they are impregnated. Female calves are either slaughtered or added to the dairy herd. The male calves are killed for veal, which is considered to be a meat delicacy.
We need not be slavishly dependent on milk:
There are so many vegan alternatives to dairy products and they are available in all health food stores and supermarkets. There are milk substitutes like Soy, almond and rice milk that are equally tasty and nutritious. There are frozen desserts like Soy Delicious, Tofutti, Rice Dream and fruit sorbets.
References and links:
- Plant Foods and Dairy Products, Am J Clin Nutr 61, suppl 6 (Jun 1995): 1407 S—1415S.
- M. Nestle, Food Lobbies, the Food Pyramid, and U.S. Nutrition Policy, Int J Health Serv 23, no. 3 (1993): 483-96.
- W. C. Willett, Department of Nutrition, Harvard School of Public Health, in the Boston Globe, June 8, 1999.
- notmilk.com
- juiceguy.com
- snyderhealth.com
Dr. Rajesh Vishwanathan, MBBS, became disillusioned with the impersonal and aggressive allopathic system and trained and qualified in Yoga, meditation, Naturopathy and Homeopathy. He dreams of Integrating Allopathic medicine with the Alternative systems of healing.
Hei says
It is strange that humans choose to nurse off a cow through adulthood. Even stranger that we treat this cow so ungratefully.
David Askaripour says
Yes, Hei.. it’s very strange. Cows just want to live, be happy, and roam the fields. They don’t want to be murdered and mass-produced for their meat and milk. Animals have rights, too.
sue miller says
Love it! Thanks. Spread the word.
t-bone jones says
damn hippies. people eat lots of other things that are not healthy. that is why our country is so fat. animals are delicious. that is why we eat them. besides, if we aren’t supposed to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
Khwai says
according to t-bone jonse’s logic we should eat other human beings as well because after all people are made of meat too…
but honestly do you think the cows would be happily roaming the fields if they weren’t used for milk or meat production? why would we continue to raise them if they no longer benefited us?
David Askaripour says
we are not “raising” cows, we are “manufacturing” them as if we were manufacturing steel. Without human interference, they would be able to roam the land just as kangaroos do in Australian. And if we felt the need to really benefit for them (even though animals don’t exist to “benefit” humans).. we could use their fecal matter for fertilizer / energy. Cows just want to live. Let’s let them live 🙂
Jim Damare says
Soy milk is a great alternative for those addicted to milk. Soy and veggie proteins are a great alternative to meat. Whatever happened to “live and let live”?
hungry says
Alright, I think everyone should switch over to sodas and whatnot, because according to this, they’re way more healthy. Let my kids grow up to be fat and stupid I say!
Can I get a hand count on how many people in here eat steak? If you don’t, I suggest a marinade with worchestershire sauce, soy sauce, olive oil, garlic, and montreal steak seasononing. YUM
Erik says
In one cup (250ml) of skim milk there is 9grams of protein. It would take 10oz of broccoli to get 8grams of protein, 7.5 cups of raw shredded carrots, or 11 kiwis. I think that milk is a fine source of calcium, compared to vegetables. Also, there seems to be a lot of “cans” and “mays”, is there any other concrete damning evidence against cow’s milk. And as for the Chinese women experiencing less fractures in old age, there could be a genetic reason behind that. thank you.
p.s. “Milk-anything goes”
Gina says
I’m currently going through an internal debate over the health benefits of raw milk. I completely agree with the adverse findings from drinking homogenized milk. But milk, in its raw state has been known to provide humans with brain-building nutrition. This is specifically true in cases of autism, Mnay children thrive on raw milk and raw colostrum. For some, it seems to be a kwy in healing.
I will be attending a conference in Chicago next weekend that will demonstrate the powers of raw dairy.
I think, ultimately — our bodies may react differently to foods, as we are not all carbom copies of each other. We can stand by some rules of thum, but then again — there’s always an exception.
Thanks for writing this you really sparked my mind this morning!!
Gina
Nicole says
Honestly i think if we didn’t have any need for cows, they would have the same fate as the buffalo. and how many buffalo do you see roaming around in the wild? thats right, not very many… instead of fighting to get rid of using cows, how about fighting to change their living conditions and to stop the use of hormones.
David Askaripour says
There has been considerable research into proposed plant sources of vitamin B12. Fermented soya products, seaweeds, and algae such as spirulina have all been suggested as containing significant B12.
David Askaripour says
I just read this:
“Human faeces can contain significant B12. A study has shown that a group of Iranian vegans obtained adequate B12 from unwashed vegetables which had been fertilised with human manure. Faecal contamination of vegetables and other plant foods can make a significant contribution to dietary needs, particularly in areas where hygiene standards may be low. This may be responsible for the lack of aneamia due to B12 deficiency in vegan communities in developing countries.” (source)
bob says
soy milk contains estrogen….
Pais Lo says
In the future, we may well experience the reverse dynamic. Even if we don’t choose to get ahead of the curve, population and price pressures will eventually force us reluctantly into the greater health that comes from eating lower on the food chain. As our supply of grain grows more precarious and prices increase, we may resort to actually eating our food instead of feeding it to livestock and then find our health bills going down and our longevity increasing.
People often hear conflicting nutritional advice, shrug their shoulders, and decide they might as well eat what they want, or what they’re used to, since the experts can’t seem to agree on anything anyway. That reaction, of course, is exactly what meat and dairy industries are praying for. Just as the tobacco industry survives by keeping millions of people addicted to it’s murderous product, which it until recently claimed was harmless, so the meat and dairy industries thrive by keeping the general population too confused or misinformed to change their destructive eating habits. But the case for the health benefits of a vegetarian diet is at least as clear. And established in at least as many scientific studies, as the case for not smoking. The human body was simply not designed to accommodate tar and nicotine-nor was it designed to process dead animals or products derived from the lactation of other mammals. Of course, just as some people willingly accept the risk of lung cancer because they profess to enjoy their cigarettes, others may look, if not gladly, then at least with resignation, upon the prospect of heart disease or stroke because they so love their hamburgers. And I suppose we all have the right to kill ourselves if we want to. If only it were that simple. Because we DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to kill the planet, the animal-based diet has proven to be as toxic to Earth as it is to ourselves.
Finally, there is what I consider the argument of last resort against vegetarianism. It is an argument that dismisses the facts in favor of supposition. Never mind the statistics about heart attacks and cancer, never mind that vegetarians tend to live longer than meat-eaters,
Never mind the obesity that is the common results of an animal-based diet, never mind all the environmental reasons for diet that is plant-based—–(humans were meant to be meat eaters, some plead. We evolved as hunters. We have canine teeth, you can’t fight nature we have blood lust.) The reality, thankfully, is otherwise. We are not inexplicably doomed by nature to a diet that destroys our bodies. Evolution created many carnivores, such as the lion, dog, wolf, and cat. They all have a short digestive system, roughly three times the length of their bodies, to facilitate the speedy removal of decaying flesh, which can poison the bloodstream if it lingers too long in the body. Carnivores also differ from herbivores in having acidic saliva and stomachs with large amounts of hydrochloric acid-useful in digesting flesh and bones. Animals that hunt at night and sleep by day don’t need sweat glands and so don’t perspire through their skin; instead they sweat through their tongues. And carnivores of course have claws, powerful jaws, and long sharp “canine” teeth to tear lining flesh. They do not posses molars needed for grinding their food, or the enzyme ptyalin for predigesting grain.
How do humans compare in these regards? The answer is not new to science; it was given long ago by Plutarch, who pointed out that man “has no curved beak. No sharp talons or claws, no pointed teeth …on the contrary, by the smoothness of his tongue and the sluggishness of his digestive apparatus, nature sternly forbids him to feed on flesh.” Plutarch was right. Like our cousins the anthropoid apes, whose diet consist mostly of fruit and nuts, our digestive system is twelve times the length of out bodies (it takes meat 5-6 days to take this voyage and pass out of the body; vegetarian food, 1-2 days), our skin has pores for evaporation, and our stomach acid has roughly 5 percent the strength of the carnivores; obviously, we have neither claws nor powerful carnivores jaws, but have molars for grinding and predigesting our grain. Like herbivores animals, we have alkaline saliva and the enzyme ptyalin to predigest grain. The teeth we call “canines” have only the name in common with the long, sharp, piercing teeth of dogs or tigers. If you don’t believe me, try using your “canines” to tear into the living flesh of a deer or moose. I have challenged many people to do so, and not one has come back with a deer or moose in his mouth.
The question we must ask ourselves as a culture is whether we want to embrace the change that must come, or resist it. Are we so attached to the dietary fallacies with which we were raised, so afraid to counter the arbitrary laws of eating taught to us in childhood by our misinformed parents, that we cannot alter the course they set us on, even if it leads to our own ruin? Does the prospect of standing apart or encountering ridicule scare us even from saving ourselves? I can no longer fathom what there is to be afraid of, except the status quo. How do we want, in the end, to measure the lives we have led? We could measure them, of course, according to how much money and how many material possessions we’ve accumulated. But, in the words made famous by a great American play, you can’t take it with you. Or we could ask ourselves; have we done all that we could for the generation to come? Are there more trees now than there were when we were born? Is the air fresher? Is the water cleaner? Is there more good, rich farmland? Are there more birds in the sky, more fish in the sea? Are there more animals in the wild? Are people leading longer, healthier lives? Is there less hunger? Is there less disease and suffering? Is the world a more peaceful place? When you can’t take it with you, all that really matters is what you leave behind.
Now I know what most of you are probably thinking. “If this guy’s telling me not to eat meat or chicken or fish or eggs or cheese, what the hell’s left to eat?? The answer my friend is a plant-based diet 😉
Howard Lyman* Love Paris Lo….
David Askaripour says
Hey Pais Lo,
Thank you so much for that wonderful, moving, inspiring, and enlightening comment. What you said was extremely powerful and it totally reinforced by health-conscious, vegan, green, and peaceful lifestyle. I care so much about this Earth and really hate to see what we’re doing to it. It’s saddening and sickening, really. People could make such a HUGE difference, just by “reducing” their meat intake, but no. People are caught up in their “I’ll do whatever I want to do” way of thinking, even at the expense of killing themselves, killing our planet, inadvertently killing those people in need of the grains and water that we’re using to feed the manufactured cows and chickens. When will we wake up? When will we connect the dots of our diets and the destruction? When will we appreciate our Earth and recognize that this is the only place, as on now, that we are able to live and thrive? When will we understand that animals have feelings and emotions just as we do? I hope soon that later.
Avid "diary" consumer says
First of all, who are you to decide what it is that cows do and do not want in their lives?
Secondly, your position on “diary” and its dangers is not only ridiculous, but poorly cited, and entirely non-scientific.
Just because you have access to the internet wasteland of .coms, .orgs, etc, does not mean you are a scientist.
In summation, go fuck yourself.
Regards,
Avid “diary” consumer
David Askaripour says
Hey Avid “diary” consumer:
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and supporting skrewtips. Please stick around and may you be happy 🙂
Namaste
Paris Lo says
dear Avid:
The ubiquitous “milk moustache” ads have made us believe we need milk to get enough calcium. The milk industry is trying to imply that calcium intake from milk will lower the risk of osteoporosis and high blood pressure, that it helps women have stronger bones and help bone growth in among growing children. These are misleading claims, because many studies have linked the intake of animal protein to bone loss (animal protein is present in dairy), and showing a worse calcium balance with increased dairy consumption. These studies have shown that the more animal protein we eat, the more calcium we lose.
In an effort to prove their claims that milk helps prevent bone loss, the National Dairy Council funded a study where post-menopausal women drank three additional 8-ounce glasses of skim milk compared to the control group of post-menopausal women. The results, published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, found that women who drank the extra milk actually lost more calcium from their bones than the control group of women who did not drink it. —”The Effect of Milk Supplements on Calcium Metabolism…” American Journal of Clinical Nutrition
sunil kumar says
though you tried to point out the disadvantages of consuming the milk, i would preferably say that when a substitute is being taken like that of soy milk. i am sure even the soy milk is produced out of the pesticides usage. then there is a possibility that even in taking the soy milk it does affect the intakers. but in over all, the diseases and the causes that we receive from the soy mik and other types of milk are more than that of the cow”s milk.
thank you
sunil kumar
Eric Patrick Marr says
Ahh, the land of Good vs. Evil. Meat-eating vs. non-meat-eating. Milk or no milk. Etc…
Another war, another fight.
Which is good, which is bad? Surely, one must be right, and one must be wrong, huh?
Perhaps that which is “wrong” is the NOTION that something is “wrong.”
Perhaps, as Einstein illustrated with Relativity, there is no such thing as an absolute (which, paradoxically, is the only absolute). What is “healthy” for one person may or may not be “healthy” for another. Perhaps each individual person is able to know for him/herself.
Perhaps, all the externalities don’t matter, maybe it’s the value we individually put on things that ultimately matters.
Who am I to know what is best for another? Just making a blanket statement is short-sighted, no matter which direction it’s in.
Everything is relative, just ask the bug on the bolt of lightning how fast he’s moving. He’d accurately tell you he’s not moving at all, but most folks would fight him to the death, insisting he’s moving at the speed of light.
Personally, I think what we eat is irrelevant (seriously, does adding or subtracting a few years to a human life, in the scope of ZILLIONS of years, or more, really amount to much worth arguing over?). Is not the force of Love much more influential?
I find the only determining factor in Life to be tapping into and releasing the energy within our hearts. That is the universe’s only eternal, unlimited energy.
Gina says
Very well said Eric, and its definitely something that I wonder each day. I do not eat meat. But my husband does. It makes him happy. I definitely agree that love is much more important. I also feel that if enough people make positive changes for health and environment.. Our children will have a clean place to live. I believe that our choices do affect future generations. I also believe that we can provide much more love and commitment to the ones we love if we are healthy. Its about making the most of our time here, and not being selfish. Because my own diet (which wasn’t even really unhealthy )caused me to get very ill and caused my son to slip into autism, I’m pretty passionate about making the world healthier and happier. However, it is just one part of my purpose.
Thanks for responding, by the way. You are a great writer. And, your words ring very true to me.
Gina
Gina Laverde says
Hello Again Eric,
Thank you again for your powerful words. I completely agree with you. There was a point where I got very wrapped up in the tangible aspects of what was going wrong with our health (studying food, preparing food, scrutinizing every bite I took). The fear of getting sick made me sicker. While diet did play a key role in waking me up and changing my perception, there was some deep emotional strain that kept me ill — no matter what I ate. I’ve come to realize this more in the new year, ironically as I focussed more on meditation and doing good unto others — more-so than remaining on a strict diet. For me, proper nutrition was simply a vehicle that allowed me to heal and find emotional happiness and inner love and peace. I’ve always had love, lots of it, but at times I ignored it. I am going to look up your recommendations. I am very interested. One of my favorite college courses was entitled “philosophy of love…”
I do strongly feel that what we put into our bodies is a reflection of how we feel about ourselves. If we eat burgers because we love them and they really remind us of childhood and baseball (or something), and we never get bloated or tired afterward — then maybe burgers are okay for people. But,I really don’t know people who eat processed food and don’t feel some form of sick afterward. I feel like eating is sort of ritualistic, and can be a loving experience — as can preparing food. So taking care to feed ourselves in healthy ways just reflects our love for ourselves and our responsibility to the world…. pretty long thought, huh?
Gina Laverde says
wow!! Thanks. You are very kind. I’m very glad to meet you. Please keep in touch and always feel free to share your ideas.
Make it a great day!!
Gina
Eric Patrick Marr says
Gina,
So nice to meet you! You are in great company there, with Askaripour.
I was pondering this more yesterday, and your words “it’s about not being selfish… and making the world healthier and happier…”
Those are bee-you-tee-ful words!!! And I can definitely feel the vibes from your words. You have a genuine, unending passion, without question. It makes me proud to know you!
I also read that maybe this blog is about finding natural ways of healing our bodies.
To that note, and per your personal story of your son, I’d encourage y’all to research energy healing and other documented cases of Love actually, physically healing people.
From a physical science point of view, underneath the atom with its protons, etc… all matter is comprised of nearly invisible, vibrating strings of energy. (see Brian Greene’s Elegant Universe and Barry Parker’s Einsten’s Dream)
There are also tons of documented cases of emotional energy determining bodily health (refer to Dr. Alice Miller’s work, among others).
Trying to be brief, I’ve definitely discovered that all of Life originates from within (whether we’re talking “strings,” or Love, or emotions, etc…)
The seed determines the fruit.
I love you beyond all words, so when I say this, I only mean it with undying devotion — if I had a child with physical ailments, I would do what I do when I myself have physical ailments. I ask myself, “Where am I not being true to My Self? Where am I not being the real Me? Where am I holding MySelf back? What is that I want to be, or want to do, that I’m not being or doing?”
Then I fix that internal ailment, and my external ailments have been fixed 100% of the time.
Because within MySelf I have the power to heal MySelf. The energy that created Me certainly has the power to continually create Me.
Does that make sense?
So if it was my child, or my friend, or my spouse, or whatever — I’d only create the environment where they can manifest their insides fully, and that “seed of Life” within them does all the rest.
It’s simple, it’s beyond do’s and don’ts, it’s beyond right and wrong.
As Rumi said, “Out beyond the idea of wrong doing and right doing, there is a field. I’ll meet you there.”
That field (the environment) is where we all can find our wholeness.
Much love to you, your husband, and your son.
Eric Patrick Marr
Eric Patrick Marr says
Sorry for the grammatical error, that one line was supposed to read:
“What is it that I want to be, or want to do, that I’m not being or doing?”
(With the underlying correlation that what you WANT to be is actually who you ARE.)
Eric Patrick Marr says
I know one thing for sure.
Gina, you are an amazing find! A beautiful soul! Your husband and child(ren) are in great hands! (And compared to many of my thoughts over the years, your thought ain’t long at all, girl! Keep ’em coming, I reckon that’s why Dave gave you Skrewtips to begin with!!!)
Your ability to think new thoughts, on an unending basis, is the most beautiful thing on the planet.
That is all that matters. We all go through processes of change (or should, at least!) — a 1980 Camry looks nothing like a 2008 Camry, but without 1980, there would be no 2008.
One quote I heard recently —
“If you are 50, and still think like you did when you were 20, you wasted 30 years of your life.”
Perhaps that is the relativity we all experience!?!?
And per food, specifically, I definitely think there is a connection between our dietary choices and our emotional well-being. I guess it’s a question of which is the fundamental determinant…
In business, the question is “can money make a business great, or does passion and genius create greatness, which then creates money?”
Studies like in Good to Great, by Jim Collins, clearly show that values, identity awareness, passion, genius and those intagible factors like Level 5 Leadership, over the long haul, are the pivotal factors of business “health.”
I reckon it’s the same principle as with our bodies, an organ-ism, not an organ-ization.
You rock, Gina!
David Askaripour says
G and E, awesome commentary! Wow, I went for an amazing ride reading your back-and-forths. Sweet thoughts. ‘ “As Rumi said, “Out beyond the idea of wrong doing and right doing, there is a field. I’ll meet you there. ‘ — that quote is right on! We all need to meet-up in person some day soon!! Now, that would be great, eh.
Eric Patrick Marr says
G & E.
History has shown that GE has been a great, not merely good, company over the years.
I think G & E & D has the makings of an even better team!
The passion, the love, the energy! The infinite possibilities!
And it’s definitely in my heart to come up to NYC soon. I feel it bubbling inside me.
E
Phillippa Silverlock says
I didn’t think diet could cause autism, I was under the impression one was born autistic or not autistic, much like being born with dyslexia or dyspraxia.
Gina says
BTW eric, I am reading a new earth by Tolle…. wow!
Gina says
Eric,
regarding autism and spirituality…. it is such a heavy subject that I cannot find the words. its more than words — and thats hard for a writer to admit. what I am experiencing right now with my son is magical on so many levels. I even hesitate to say I am curing him — although his skills, behavior, level of understanding is becoming much more “typical” his autism is a gift. as a parent I have to fish out the crappy parts of the gift. like if your mother in law gave you a gift basket with your fave perfume at the bottom and stale cheese on top 🙂 (don’t know ehere that one cam from) anyway, his gifts, and those of many children with autism are far beyond desribable. I feel like this is a lesson, a sign of what wonder the world could hold — or how we can die off as a species. I have felth this for so long. as if autism is a messenger. anyway, the diet is really helping both of us and has provided me with a much more open soul — to accept and keep going through this awesome journey.
Eric Patrick Marr says
Phillippa raises a great point — what does “cause” things???
ALL THINGS, for that matter.
This is really the question we as a human race must answer — do things “just happen” or do we cause them, somehow?
I’d say 99% of people think “things just happen,” whether it is autism coming into existence, or someone getting into a car accident, or the economy going up or down, or our physical health issues.
The debate has raged on for eons, but really, down below it all, what “causes” EVERYTHING under the sun?
Is there some mysterious, inexplicable force out there that just does things that we are perpetually forced to react to, or are WE actually that “creative force?”
Eric Patrick Marr says
Tolle rocks. It is my observation that life’s most insightful people have been to hell and back themselves, and Tolle certainly has resided in hell, himself.
I think it’s that way because the only way to know Truth is to find it yourself, and that might mean being stripped of every external thing, and every external idea and voice, so you are left only with YOUR voice, with YOUR Self.
A very hard and difficult thing to find, without question. Einstein alluded to this as well, and his genius also speaks for itself.
The only thing I would say regarding autism or those things, is that I no longer view it as a “spiritual” thing. It’s wholly physics and biology, and even psychology (emotional energy gets stored within our bodily cells.)
It’s the most profound scientific discovery in history, without question.
And it “makes sense” from a “spiritual” POV, which I also find fascinating, as usually science and “spirituality” have opposed each other, but now they are unified.
Physicists even call it “Unified Theory” or the “Theory of Everything.”
It is seeing the invisible, because something inside Us just intuitively knows the invisible exists, and is fundamental, by definition.
With so much love, my heart is heavy.
Eric
Eric Patrick Marr says
All I know for certain is that Gina and Family are awesome!
EPM
Doug Glass says
There’s plenty of room for all God’s creatures; right next to the mashed potatoes.
Gina says
you made me laugh. Thanks!
Nomsa Bukhulele says
It’s all fine and well telling people what is good and what is not good. Drinking milk may be bad but some cannot afford to buy soy milk let alone all these other magnificent health products on the market.
In South Africa the cost of soy milk is so expensive that the average person cannot afford to buy it on a daily basis. Most of these alternative health foods which are apparently much better for us are also much much more expensive. As it is we
work the whole month to have food for two weeks, and as for milk. Well thats for drinking in tea and coffee.
James says
How can you publish such SHIT???
BigB says
Thank you Pais Lo, It was a pleasure to read your thoughts. It reminded me of my favorite saying. “People are not that smart.” If more people understood what it was you were saying, we might not be so destuctive to or bodies, planet and it’s natural resources we’ve been blessed with. My case in point, Avid “Diary” User. It’s Dairy, not diary. Dipshit.
Steve Thompson says
Soy Milk Is like $10.00 (not Including shipping) a gallon, Cow Milk Is like $4.00 a gallon. Cow Milk Is sold at the local stores Soy Milk Is Not, Do You understand? Everyone has written books about what good Nutrition Is but Not Anyone has written a book about Where to get good Nutrition at an affordable price.
David Askaripour says
I’ve been buying Silk Soy Milk (the best!) for $3.79 (sometimes cheaper) for years. $10.00??? ha, not sure about that. From where?
Jennifer Glickstein says
p.s. I meant “think” dairy was bad, not “thing”. Sorry! 🙂
Dawn says
True. dairy is cruel and full of crap. People need to wake up. It’s for COWS not people. That’s why COWS produce it. It’s for their babies so they can grow up healthy . People are retarded!
Marc says
They are all mad arnt they. I mean the dairy industry tells us that we need it fir strong bones but cows bones are bigger than ours and do they drink milk? no they eat grass. WAKE UP PEOPLE. DAiry is what’s making eveyone sick.
Jan says
Thousands of years ago, in Buddism, the teaching to all the Chinese human race is already to be grateful to cows. And not eat or beat it. No other animals were mentioned with such privilege. They are the earliest beast to help human beings plough land for rice production.
C. Wallace says
This makes complete sense, its just not natural. We dont drink milk from our own mothers as adults, so we shouldnt drink it from another species.
Frank Carroll says
Cows should be exterminated. All they do is eat grass and create methane. They are the largest contributors to global warming by far.
D.C. says
That is the most retarded thing I’ve heard this week Frank. If you think cows have anything at all to do with “global warming”, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
a dairy farmer says
I don’t raise cows but I do raise dairy goats and use a milking machine. Milking machines do *not* shock the udder. Anyone wanting to test this can come try mine out (-: They gently suck the milk out of the udder. And also most dairies not only don’t use concrete alone because it causes leg stress and lowered production, they use expensive footing material like rubber mats one uses at work to stand on to ease leg strain. Living conditions are optimal as they can be to cut down on mastitis which is costly for the farmer to treat. Animals that produce milk are usually very well cared for because bad conditions/management equals no milk or less milk. Antibiotics are screened for in such stringent tests that even if the residue of antibiotics from one quarter of a treated cow get into the tank of milk holding milk from 1000 cows the tests will detect it and the entire batch of milk is lost.
brad says
And they milk cows with robots!Ban the robotic millking now! They do it in Europe and they are coming here!Do not belive the dairy industrys propaganda that the robotic milking is “voluntary” and the cows “milk themselves”.
Anita Karenina says
I wonder how much is a cow’s life worth? When people come here to state that cow’s milk is affordable and soy milk is less, i wonder what is a life worth to them? When cows are deprived from a life that is theirs, as precious to them as it is ours to us, during which they have to endure the most vicious tortures including rape, for the sake of human palate, i fail to understand how do we call such practices humane. What is it that is humane about expoliting other beings, that are at our mercy, only because they are seen as inferior since they do not speak our language and walk on their fours. Humane is a variant of human, and means to be kind, compassionate, sympathetic. I see none of it in the dairy industry, i see none of it in the animal flesh industry. I see none of it in most humans so the term should not be used as it is ambiguous and ultimately obsolete.
Some say cows “Cows should be exterminated. All they do is eat grass and create methane. They are the largest contributors to global warming by far.” It is true that cows create methane that is lethal for our beloved environment but the great harm comes from over farming them. There would be harmony in nature if not for human’s practices which are moved by greed and lust for power. I blame not the cows, bless them!, i blame the unconsciousness, the ignorance of the human race that seems to be moving more and more towards the dark ages.
It is very detrimental for non human animals to be seen as a product, means to an end. An end that is so pathetic for it is only money, a pretence. Without wisdom and kindness true happiness is unattainable. “Those without wealth may one day prosper, but those without kindness are utterly and incurably poor. ” Old Hindu verse written by Tiruvalluvar
ERIK, i was so very moved by your thoughts. They were a true reflection of my own, only you put them together so harmoniously. They are well worth of appreciation. Your lovable being is admirable and i am with you. We, as conscious individuals must show due respect to our home – nature and its inhabitants, all of them – for all it gives to us, utter gifts, and remind ourselves that karma exists, what we plant will grow…and will be collected by us alone.
As i wrote on the other thread “We are the only species that consume milk after infancy. We do not need milk after this period hence why our breasts stop producing it. To drink cow’s milk is utterly unnatural and it supports a sick barbaric industry that deprives the cows and their offspring from their basic needs, and please do not be fooled by their Organic free range standards. Cows will have continuously reproduce, most of the time artificially which in my point of you qualifies for rape. Milk is for babies and Cow’s milk is designed for calves to grow fast and strong in a short period of time so saturated with hormones which are harmful to us. Not to mention the billions of pus and blood cells that are found in milk due to factory farming these loving beings.”
I find it appaling humans refuse to widen their horizons therefore live their lives confined in cages. They refuse knowledge because it may bring changes and the fear of change challenges them. So they keep on living enslaving others, and themselves. Sacrifing nature and our fellow earthlings. “A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.”- Winston Churchill
Anita Karenina
Anita Karenina says
Sorry for my error. I meant PAIS LO, not ERIK as i was referring to the words PAIS LO Wrote. Apologies.
Starr says
While beans and such do provide protein for humans, animal meat is the best digested protein for humans yielding the highest amounts of USEABLE protein for the body. Also, someone made a comment earlier about meat consumption being the cause of obesity, which I fully disagree with. Fried foods (including fries and other veggies as well as meat)which are usually fried in vegetable oils and high carb foods (bread, pasta, rice,potatoes,cereal) have alot to do with this. Let’s just stick with the facts here and say that ANY diet can cause obesity except maybe the anorexic diet.
Starr says
Some other things I wanted to point out…milk is not the cause of iron malabsorption…calcium is. Calcium is a chelating agent for iron, binding with iron so that neither is absorbed. This can be caused by any calcium agent…not just milk. This is the reason that multivitamins with iron contain minimal to no calcium. Also, organic foods have a higher incidence of e. coli contamination. For those unfamiliar, this is the bacteria found in and around the feces and back doors of humans and animals…the reason women wipe front to back and why we are SUPPOSED to wash our hands after going to the bathroom. With that noted I’m not sure that it would be any healthier to risk that over possible side effects of pesticides.
drpaul says
calcium is not an iron chelator. Ever heard of CaFe (ferric chloride)- impossible. That’s ridiculous iron in fact is absorbed through the excretion of intrinsic factor. Calcium may substitute in the channel as both have a +2 charge (if Ferric). calcium absorption is also dependent on vitamin D so eat up and get your sunlight. Drink milk also, because it is good for you. Forget hippy propaganda and remember that it has been a staple of human diets since the beginning of agriculture
Anita Karenina says
I do not eat soya. I speak for myself neither i would reccomend soya as it is not good for you unless is fermented. The protein on cow’s milk leeches the calcium off your body. No wonder you see so many people who have drank milk all their lives having so many bone related problems.
But the main thing about Milk ladies and gentlemen is that cow’s milk is for calves. And ultimately, not for grown up humans to drink. It is pretty pathetic to think of an adult man or woman drinking the milk of a cow. Just take the cow and put a human mother providing milk to a grown up. WOuld anyone be up for it? Just because they have a middle man fiddling with the cow’s udders, one does not see himself sucking the udder of a cow. But i do, and i see it clearly. And it is just not right, not meant to be, not ethical, morally wrong.
I know vegan body builders, there are lots of famous athlets who are healthy vegans and bless them. For they are on a truthful path. A path of well being at peace with nature and our fellow earthlings.
Naresh Kadyan, Chairman, PFA Haryana says
Here in India, peoples thinks about animals are for their food as livestock, to get milk & use them to get work to earn bread / butter but they do not think about their rights…..Hindu culture / mentality allows milk for good health but they do not know the merit….demerits of the milk.
Susan says
Igorant fucks. Do you see calves sucking down pigs milk? It’s a natural born instinct to drink only our mothers milk only until were ready for the real thing. Humans go against whats natural. You are what you eat. So for all you fat, sloppy bovines out there how about this fun fact… it takes only two tablespoons of black sesame seeds to get the exact same amount of calcium from one cup of nasty cows milk. There are fruits and vegetables that completely eliminate any need for the shit. We were intended to live off the LAND that mother nature provided us not slaughter and use the creatures who are just trying to live like us. Oh and Starr, have you ever seen an obese vegan? Not ANY diet will make you obese, only those rich in animal fat, maybe you should try it out and you wouldn’t be so angry that you’re so unhealthy and can’t figure out why…hmm maybe the animal hormones? Yummy cow mucus? Ever wonder why when your cold is gone and your cough lingers? It’s that excess mucus that doesn’t belong in your body. I’d rather smoke a cigarette that drink a glass of milk anyday. Why would people who don’t support a healthy lifestyle by choosing to consume animals be reading this anyways? I cant believe you retards can even read, go suck on a fucking cow udder.
Susan says
Oh i almost forgot to make a comment on that idoitic statement…well only one of many made by arjuna180..yeah females produce milk FOR OUR BABIES TO SUCK IT OUT OF OUR BREASTS. We don’t share it with cows or pigs or goats. Wells is saying that we take take take but what do we give back? Are you gonna hook a pump to your breast and put it into a bottle for a litter of puppies? no you selfish human.
Lem says
I prefer my bovine medium, cooked over a charcol flame…ummmm smotherd in mushrooms and onions. Now that’s what I’m talking about!
Starr says
Susan…I have no health problems actually. However, your ignorance problem is well stated. Go to college and get educated so you can argue without sounding like an angry teenager. If you think that animal fat is the only way to get fat you’re even stupider than you sound.
Susan says
Well big college girl I’d much rather be blissfully ignorant and very healthy and lean, eating up my vegetables than even start to think that animal fat doesn’t cause obesity and health problems. Sure there’s other diets that can make you large, but never as unhealthy as putting animals and their byproducts into your body.
Witt says
But consuming the bodies of subjugated animals makes me more powerful! I like to think I have entire ecosystems powering my dark intentions.
Meh, it’s all solar power in the end anyhow.
Starr says
So much hostility, so many assumptions, Susan. And you say I’m angry. LOL It’s cool. I’m rather humored by your “blissful ignorance.” Almost as much as I am by your pride in stating that you’re lean and vegan. Did you used to be an obese carnivore, with a very productive cough caused by milk?
I never said animal fat didn’t cause obesity and health problems. I merely stated that it wasn’t the only cause. A vegan could easily be obese from eating too much peanut butter or tofu, or too much rice and beans. Obesity is caused by overeating and lack of activity, not “ONLY those [diets] rich in animal fat.” I’ve personally never seen peanut butter with animal fat in it, but what do I know, right? It’s funny that someone so obsessed with health would rather smoke cyanide than drink milk and still have the audacity to call anyone else a retard.
Lyle says
For me milk is a white poison because it contains the toxic sugar lactose, which I cannot digest at all. Also, I have not eaten any dead, rotting cow carcuses for about thirty years. That is really what beef is.
There is nothing positive about cow’s milk at all and I am pretty sure that it causes osteoporosis along with refined sugars and consuming dead four legged animals.
Ann says
As a member of the agriculture community I’m here to tell you that we love our cows and treat them with the upmost respect. Cattle are not forced to stand on concrete all day, they are given beds made of mattresses from sand, straw, wood shavings, or other comfortable material. Mastitis does occur, but is caught early because cows are milked regularly and is treated immediately. Electric shocking is not part of any daily routine and is false material. Furthermore, milk from cows treated for things such as mastitis is discarded ensuring no antibiotic or “puss,” as you said, is in the consumers milk.
The dairy industry is one of the most regulated areas in agriculture and farms are permitted and checked regularly to meet USDA standards. Beyond this, each time milk is picked up from the farm by a bulk tank truck, the milk is tested. Before the milk is ever bottled for the consumer is goes on to be tested by the processor and the department of agriculture, just to name a few.
TO REALLY KNOW YOUR FACTS ABOUT COWS CHECK OUT: dairyfarmingtoday.org
Ana Karenina says
Bea, i am with you. Really am. When cows are exploited for pathetic grown ups to feed from, makes me shiver and have so little faith on our race. To deny it to calves for the sick pleasure of drinking their mummy’s milk…how on earth!!!
vickie says
the cows are poisoned yeah i guess so…
but they are not the only ones…
soybeans are also…
and what else after…
take a look if you wish…
if you have a strong heart
Concerned Citizen says
Hello, how retarded can you get. First of all for those of you calling humans stupid, WHAT THE HELL do you think you are. Maybe you have some how become superior to all others and have reclassed yourselves if thats the case stay the hell out of human concerns! Second milk is proven to be health and prevent conditions such as osteoporosis, cancer, cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes and obesity just to name a few. YES, PREVENT YOU IDIOT NOT CAUSE! Third cultures that have developed without ready access to milk are generally intolerant to it and thus can’t be generalized to the rest of the world, and while were on the topic some cultures consider milk be it form a cow or other animals sacred. In addition you biased and obviously radical objection to milk stems from a noble attempt to prevent to suffering of cows, even though your spread of misinformation only breeds poorly informed activists who will be attacked for their clear ignorance. Please refrain from posting information that sparks useless debate.
Lynn says
I believe through personal trial and error dairy doesn’t agree with my physiology. My personal morals would rather ingest fruits, veggies and such. though I am not a vegitarian. Both sides seem to have evidence of their own cause. How about if you are sick or unhappy with your health you try diet and exercise and find what works for you and your family. Hostility and self rightous behavior will not convince others to entertain a different way of thought.
How could we get so confused as to what is healthy for us to eat-Consumerism! MONEY MONEY MONEY
zanna says
Certainly veganism has not improved Susan’s humour nor her command of the English language. Perhaps she is vitamin or mineral deficient. And her blood pressure must certainly be up. I gather this is an American site as wit, humour and an ability to think laterally seem to be in short supply.
Onto Cow’s milk – I have spent time considerable time living in Asia where I ate no dairy products because they weren’t available and also time in Australia where I do consume dairy products. I am a fit, healthy active, lean 47 year old woman. The only real difference in my health living in those two countries was the lack of food hygiene in Asia which caused inevitable problems. When I was careful about food hygiene (not eating randomly on the streets) there was no discernable difference to my health regarding eating dairy or not eating it. So from my own perspective, the trial of no dairy suggested by a poster above did not apply to me. In fact milllions of Indians eat dairy and it doesn’t seem to do them any harm. I think like all things it has more to do with moderation and a sensible, non stressed approach to life.
Daniel Murphey says
You forgot something about the real truth of milk; it’s delicious.
umamaheshwari says
I will agree with your argument. Thanking you.
Beth says
Hello,
I do agree with you. People should test it out for themselves but raw cows milk is actually great for you. I have drank it ever since I was little and I love to use it in just about everything. Raw goats milk is great for people that can not normally drink milk. I have never had some one say they couldn’t drink the goats milk.
Now pasturized milk is a totaly different story. Many people have been led to believe that raw milk is bad and will kill you but they are actually wrong. The reason people were getting sick from raw milk was because sick people were milking or they were not caring for and washing off the cow. If the cows udder is not clean then bacteria can spread BUT it was very rare for people to get sick.
People used to actually take blood from the people that were sick and then they would inject the cows teat with the blood. They cows body would then make the antibodies for that sickness and everyone that drank that milk would get better. Now it is illegal to do this for humans but where I live we are able to use this for animals.
I am just a farm girl that is just sharing what she has learned through other farmers. But I know my family does not get sick nearly as often as the other families in the area and I truly believe it is because of two things , 1. We do things naturally, 2. We serve a awesome God that cares for our every need (even our health).
I enjoyed hearing what you had to say and I hope my comment does not offend you at all.
Delta says
Beth, cow’s milk is poison in MHO. You say you are downing this glass of fat and that it is “good for you”. I just don’t think you ever would have come up with that without all the brainwashing by the dairy industry and the fact that fat tastes yummy.
I mean, you know Beth that the dairy industry spends a fortune every year to tell us how good milk is for us, don’t you? You have noticed that broccoli does not need an advertising campaign to convince us that it is healthy for us. That is because it is OBVIOUS that broccoli is healthy.
Bill Bean says
I think I’ll be sticking with Almond milk. Delicious with granola!
.-= Bill Bean´s last blog ..A Quote For Emily =-.
Witt says
I’ve found in most cases, that you can replace milk with beer (yes, even with cereal). Though this might sound crazy, it’s probably the Busch Brewing Co’s fault-too much shitty beer on the shelves. Once you’ve had good beer, you’ll understand. And I think three beers a week is a little over the top to call someone an alcoholic.
Oh, and though I’m all but done with milk, I don’t think I could EVER give up cheese. Nacho Wednesdays forever!!
Carla M. says
Uuugh! You had me at “milk contains blood and pus from cows”. I’m not a big milk drinker – I only ever have it with cereal and the occasional pastry treat, but I am thoroughly grossed out now. It’s Almond Milk all the way for me, now…
JONNY BOY says
MILK IS AWESOME. IT’S DELICIOUS AND GOOD FOR YOU. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DRINKING IT FOR YEARS, SO WHY CHANGE NOW? THAT’S RIGHT, I’M NOT CHANGING MILK FOR NOTHIN’.
BEEF IS DELICIOUS.
SO ARE COW SCRAPINGS.
Nebuchadnezzar says
I found that I was lactose intolerant when I was very young. My mother took me to the doctor who said, “keep drinking it”. What?. “Yeah, keep drinking it, just buy 2% and your body willget used to it”.
I did not realize that milk was constipating me and causing abdominal discomfort until I stopped drinking it altogether. Almond milk, Rice and soy milk are better anyway. I HIGHLY recommend almond milk by any company, all of them taste great and BETTER than the hormone-pumped sludge that comes from tortured cows.
The only thing I have trouble weening out is cheese, creams and sauces that use dairy. I am tempted to buy soy alternatives, but I am not sure if that is any better for me.
What do you think?
dea dea says
This is nothing more than a scare tactic. I grew up on raw cows milk and wasn’t sick a single day until we were no longer able to purchase our milk because the coupled died. I wish I could go back to drinking raw milk. The milk we purchase in the stores today is so full of chemicals that are worse for you than anything that raw milk could do to you. The process of homogenizing and pasturizing removes all the important nutrients that we need so drinking that won’t help you, but raw milk will provide many valuable nutrients.
Jose Amormino says
Baby cows drink cow’s milk from momma
grown up cows don’t drink milk. they eat grasses and herbs.
cow’s milk has inorganic calcium- not good for us
herbs have organic calcium, and there’s plenty of green herbs loaded with this wonderful calcium.
don’t believe all the hype you see on the billboards strewn all over our country about how milk has something for everybody. Well, they do have something- something very bad for we grown ups.
Peace
Rachael says
I don’t agree with this. Mostly.
Raw milk has many beneficial properties and benefits! When purchased from a local dairy farmer who’s cows are grass fed- on pasture, thier lives are not at all what you describe here! These dairy farmers love and humanely for their animals.
The pasteurization and homogenization of milk is what makes it so dangerous, as well as skim milk. Skim milk is actually fed to hogs in factory farming to fatten them up!
Please, do some research on raw milk and the myriad of health benefits of consuming raw milk and raw milk that has been traditionally cultured.
Brenda Whitney says
Rachael,
You are ignorant. I’m not being mean, just factual. Read up and maybe visit a dairy farm…where are the babies? They are not with their mama’s…ALL dairy farms…every single one, separate the mothers from their babies within a few days of birth. Males are either slaughtered, thrown behind the barn to slowly starve to death or freeze and the female’s are usually crated until they are old enough to go through the cruel cycle of being impregnated and producing milk.
In order for animals to produce milk they must be impregnated. When farmers give hormones to cows it’s to make the milk production greater and last longer between pregnancies.
People like you think that somehow magically cows can just produce milk. It’s not because you are stupid tho, it’s because this cruel fact is hidden from the public.
I can’t believe how many intelligent people I know that don’t know this fact about dairy. I am having to constantly tell people this and say “google” it because they just don’t believe it!
NEIL SEQUEIRA says
if Cow is our mother, Cows Milk is equal to Human Blood, Then what does it make us when we eat butter and cook food with ghee ?????????? Maneka Gandhi answer Please.
Brian says
I think dairy causes thyroid problems. I had thyroid problems and quit dairy. Now its not as bad. I don’t require medication. Also, a woman told me a doctor told her she had thyroid problems and for her to stay off dairy. She doesn’t 100 percent but she said he told her to stay away from dairy.